Thursday, June 14, 2007

Destiny rewritten...

sometimes i wonder...is there any such thing as destiny...or fate?Is our life one set predetermined course of events or is it this mind boggling whole matrix of parallel universes through which we travel through in space and time, each one representative of wat our lives might be..acccording to the choices tat we make. And then again, i think- maybe i ll never know the truth...maybe i was never meant to, maybe i ll never need to. i guess this is a question tat each one of us has to look deep inside us and retrospect-cos the answer is just this...it can be wat u want it to be. Personally, i like to think tat each of the innumerable miniscule decisions tat we take most involuantirily contribute to me as i am today. It gives me a sense of comfort, a sense of control...and most importantly a sense of purpose to life!. But then again events happen which cause me to question the very beleifs which i hold close...events tat make me realise how fragile our existenxe really is, how inconsiquential human life really is..but even here..as always..there are two paths to follow..one to resign oneself by taking refuge in the convenient excuse of fate or to strive to rewrite the destiny tat semms etched in stone. and i, for one beleive tat even stone etchings can be erased, destinies rewritten..i may be wrong but to me all tat maters is tat i beleive in it, and tat makes it truer to me than anything hard evidence may prove...who knows just by trusting my beleifs , right here, right now, i ve steered myself and by reading this, urself, to a wonderful parallel universe whose possibilities are endless and where hope springs eternal..and i am sure tat we are there right now :):):)

26 comments:

pramod said...

sorry to differ with you on a couple of fronts....
-> believing that the answer can be what you want it to be, you are really contradicting what you say at the end about moving away from destiny's path... that answer shows a strong will towards destiny rather than fighting it...
-> and don't you think that beliving that you were meant to know the truth, that you'll one day know the truth( subject could be what we are not discussing here)will rather inspire you than believing that you were not meant to know it? ..... I could be wrong...
-> on a lighter sense I don't think you could erase a stone etching but you could only chisel away the surface to hide it.. that is in my belief you are adjusting your 'self' into hiding the scar from the external world...


And I firmly agree with what you say about rewriting destiny... though i believe in destiny I believe I could provide myself a new destiny... same thing , different version... Well I am different am i not?, then why can't my version be?

pramod said...

that was just a comment.... men differ.. so do i.. but a bit differently...

pramod said...

aaaaah.... is this how you war... I thought we will be using swords n spears.. bring 'em on dude..

pramod said...

after reading your article a couple more times, i think you meant 'life' can be what you want it to be...and not 'answer'.. sorry if thats the case... then my first point turns invalid..

amal said...

hi mj, am really sorry for not replying to ur comments earlier...but u know me and the "proc-"word! ;) ...anyway here goes...

i ll try replying to ur points one by one...

-->as u wisley noted in ur last comment wat i really meant wen i said "answer" was the answr to my question wondering whether we have control our destinies..but then later in the passage i come to beleive tat we may hold the key to our destinies and not someone else..so there doesnt seem to be any incongruency onm tat front :)

-->i am not sure i agree with u on your second view...even though it seems moreinspirational to beleive tat maybe someday u ll remove the veil of mystique surrounding life itself, i persnally dont beleive tat is not part of the "bigger plan"...how are we, who cant even say for sure about wat mite happen in the next sec, to beleive tat we are meant to discover the higher realisation of something tat even we dont understand is all about!!!;)

-->on a lighter sense again...may i ask wat "erase" means?...i beleive it means manipulating something to make it unvisible...so whether u accompolish it by using a "natraj" eraser or by chiselling the area...its still "ERASING" rite?;)

i really enjoyed ur critical review though..thanks for the insightful comments :)

pramod said...

---> on ur 1st point...
can you be really sure that you alone hold the key to ur destinies?
i too think we have a large part to play in the creation of our destiny, but i also believe since in this universe, every single act by every single human is making the universe take its unique path from a set of innumerable possibilities...
which in turn makes me believe that the actions of other people do tend to change our destiny..

so its not entirely in our hands.. still we could believe, we could strive, to make sure that we do what's "within our power"..

now by saying "within our power" , we have again come back to destiny...

So what i understand from this is, we usually have a misconception about destiny... we must understand that we have at least 75% power to create our futures..
and the rest 25% which depends on the actions of others is what we call "Destiny"..since it doesn't lie within our power...i.e. here laws of probability starts its game...

Also we must note this is a generalization.. there are lots of deeds where destiny never plays a part..

pramod said...

--> again on ur 2nd point...
shall i ask u something..mate..and u must answer honestly....
Don't u really know what's going to occur to u the next second?
(well leave the ultimate mystery of death... but even it can be predicted in certain cases...rite?..)

i think we know for sure 95% of time what we are going to do next second..and thats all one need to know in this world..
if u know what u r going to do in the next second, then u r doing fine..... ;)
contradict me...come on...its a challenge..

pramod said...

---> on the lighter point ;) ...
hmmm..lemme think...

i'll try explaining through a situation..ok?

(remember...i'm not someone who has ever encountered it..may b due to my gud looks... so correct my errors)
just think you had a love and it sort of ended in tragedy..now your heart has a scar left by this unfortunate event..
now everytime you see this girl, you feel grievances and feel mentally down..

now its a story with a double climax...
first, you somehow make up with the girl..and now u both are happy and the scar has entirely healed.... virtually you have erased the scar..

second, you try to overcome this by never looking at the girl again... start to consider that this girl doesn't exist... But not looking at the girl also hurts.. but to get over the earlier scar you are prepared to accept this huge scar, so that the previous one remains hidden...i.e. invisible..

now would you call this as erasing?.. this is the chiseling part of the argument...
here the scar is still there..but just that u have made further sacrifices to make sure that this one remains hidden...

and think you know 'Natraj' eraser erases the scar and chiseling merely removes the rest of the part but scar remains, now invisible...
;)

amal said...

-->i couldn't but help notice tat n ur reply u had mentioned..
"...every single act by every single 'human' is making the universe.."...why may i ask this inexplicable partiality to the species homo sapiens??!! with all due respects, am i to beleive tat u are naive enough to consider all other forms of life as insignificant in the larger context??..anyway i am very impressed with the valid points tat you otherwise raised..kudos!! :) ...but yet again the numbers you put forth set a jarrring note am afraid...i always beleived tat numbers mean NOTHING!! and probability is crap...excuse my language..
consider this...a doctor who performs some complex surgery..now the previous stastics on his surgeries might churn out a probability say 67% success rate...but for a patient who is about to undergo it done by him, tat 67% means nothing!! he cant be 67% alive rite? ;) its either life or death for him!! 100% either way!! hope u see wat i mean...

similarly for each individual, the twists tat life takes are 100%...whether it is 75% by him or 74.9% by him!! so i feel tat its wrong to quantify destiny..rather i feel one should move ahead with the beleif tat we have within ourselves the capability to go 100% ..cos only tat matters!!:)

amal said...

--> this reply to your question comes from the bottom of my heart
(where all the honesty is supposed to be stored ;) )..

NO...I DONT!! i really dont know wats going to happen to me the next second!!
..and by not knowing again i mean 100%...
as u said 95% maybe...but again tats not all..
wat if nestling in tat other 5% witha smug grin on its face is something nasty,..say sweet death itself ;)

( btw why did u bypass around the death topic? dont all our discussions directly or indirectly center around tat)

and i wish i could challenge u on ur last point but its sad tat i cant......cos.........i wholeheartedly agree :)

i accept uncertainity is wat makes life "life"...but tat doesnt change the fact tat we have no choice in tat matter..we are not uncertain of the future because ew WANT to but cos we HAVE TO..;)

u agree?

amal said...

--> i am afraid i didnt find much relation btw ur girl example and the stone erasing ...maybe i didnt ubnderstand u perfectly...but in the second ending u mentioned, the second huge scar just makes the old scar smaller not erase it, rite?...
sort of like tryin to make a line dissapear by drawing a much larger line near it...it only make the lil lod line look insignificantly smaller...not invisible ...doesnt amount to using the gud ol' 'nataraj' rite? ;)

pramod said...

--> at first let me start with that 'human' taunt that u made...

well.. honestly.. dude i never thought of it like that... and i can say that i was considering all the living beings when i used the word 'human' there... but then i would b lying.. ;)

I as a person do consider every living being like i would consider a fellow human...

and am i to consider tat ur seeking argument on a topic which was clearly out of context to the discussion we were having, is a sign that the pirate is winning his little battle here...

pramod said...

and i simply love you due.....
Coz you simply supply me with the tools that i need to fight you with...

well mate.. just take the example you gave me.. think of the patient whose life, whose destiny is now 100%( ;) ) with the doctor..

well now what is the meaning of the point you said about" go ahead with the belief.......... and only that matters"....

well is it only what matters.. now his future is entirely at the hands of the doctor... this is precisely what i meant...now what ever happens to him can be termed as "destiny".... Coz here he has to accept what happens..he has no choices(well change the doc..u may say..hehe..)...

this is what destiny is... every thing in life will include destiny..(whether its des"tiny" or des"huge" depends on what we are considering)...to just prod you,..from 0% to 100%..

pramod said...

ya...think i made a mistake about the "next second" thing...now i think of it.even 95% doesn't seem correct...

My mistake....

and now about the initial point of we supposed to be(or not supposed to be) knowing the truth about life..well you were saying about removing the veil of mystery or someting rite..?
now what if that veil is part of the truth that we are ,if we are, going to know...what if we get to know about the mysteries and mystiques that life could offer..

well just for an example... all we know about life is what's happening in this world..? what if the parallel world theory is actually a reality..what if traveling to and forth the time is actually possible..? would you think it better we remain sitting back we are not supposed to know about it..

well now..now... i know we think of it as a thing in field of science.. but don't you think there really is something b/w science and life.. which hasn't yet been cracked... well isn't it the beliefs like these or strange thought processes(i heard you..haha..)that lead to revealing new truths..

well every veil of every mystery can be unveiled by pure belief.. its that belief that enabled you to find aeroplanes flying over ur head.. and helped you convey ur ideas with me though we've never met...

see....


but again i could still sense that i missed something... one very important point...

and its that thought that enabled evey scientist to refine every raw ideas..
So refine this...

pramod said...

and about the eraser stuff...

well i just meant there's a difference between erasing and chiseling away the rest of the surface to make it hard to notice....


now er...did u get it.....?

amal said...

-->first of all, abt the human "taunt"...
i realised and i am sure, u did as well..tat the human word wasnt intended..and by tat word u meant life in general...so i just pointed tat small slip to you in good humour...so it most definetely was not a "taunt"...

maybe if u wud please go thru my comment once again u ll see tat tat i had not left tat topic open for further discussion..moving on to the other serious matters of our discussion..so i most definetly wasnt lookin to start an argument over such small stuff :)

am surprised tat u felt insecure enough about it tat you started takin of winning the battle and stuff... hmmm... offence is the best form of defence huh mate? ;)

anyway just wanted to make sure no hard feelings :) i dont think there r any losers in this game...

pramod said...

Nor do..i ...dear bro... ;-)

amal said...

i think we are running on parallel tracks here...i agree with wat ou say...but my point is tat if something is not in your control , whether 1 % or 100% , it still means tat u can never be sure of wats gonna happen...rite?..

amal said...

abt the ersaer stuff...of course i got it..just felt tat ur analogy wasnt proper!!

pramod said...

sorry....hehe.. my english has never been that good dude.. er... hihi..

one more guy realises that...;-)

pramod said...

and about the 1% 100% argument....

well u r missing the point mate....
you conclude ur argument saying
"so i feel tat its wrong to quantify destiny..rather i feel one should move ahead with the beleif tat we have within ourselves the capability to go 100% ..cos only tat matters!!"

and now from my point i made it clear and think u too caght the point that there are situation in life where we can't go ahead with the belief that we have within ourselves the ability to go 100%...

Coz...as we saw in my example(well its urs.. ;) )..there we just can't do anything..

that was my point... there are occasions in life where we just can't say that i'm not leaving it to destiny....

er.......am i clear?...

amal said...

i totally undertand wat u r saying abt having to leave some things entirely to fate...and this is where my view of beleifs and hope comes in...its rather, an ancillary point to yours...

all i am saying is tat i find it really difficult to make my peace with this fact...it makes us look puppets dancing helplessly to someones else's whims and fancies...so wat i feel is tat instead of reconciling ourselves to tat "fate", maybe if we beleive deep down in our hearts tat we CAN thru our actions control our fate, then ust tat act of beleif may lead us to a parallel universe where tat actually happens!! sounds (kinda far frtched i kno...but hey, not more so than life itself ;) )
so wouldnt u for one want to live in such a universe where every moment is pregnant with wonderful posssibilties, every moment a junction leading out to diff roads in the path of life!! :)
agree???

pramod said...

on a lighter note....
what if the fact that u r thinking of conquering fate is also orchestrated by fate.... what if the puppet master is making you think so....
just a different thought process...

pramod said...

I agree with u...mate.., if what u meant by believing, in our case was that he could believe that he'll get through for sure....
coz we all know that a guy who believes he'll survive has a better chance of survival than one who doesn't believe so...
So here believing makes him choose the world he want to be in... So he has done all within his power to make his choice..

But if that wasn't what you were saying , then i'd like you to clarify... because.. this is all he could do.. But also lies the fact that, his choice, his belief alone isn't is going to help him achieve that world that he wishes for... (well we've covered that point many a times...)

Now about the parallel world stuff... I totally agree with you that human beings , though most don't realise it, do have the power to choose their path...that is to say the world they want to live in from a number of possiblities....

But curiously in our example, the man have the choices to be brave to face the operation, be a coward n flee, why? he even has choices when it comes to how to face the operation....... well.... each of these choices would lead the person to a new universe(a parallel one)..rite?

Till now everything is fine....

But once the operation begins, he has no control over matters... i.e. he has no choice to make here... subjecting himself to the operation is all he could do... and no choice means only one possible way forward..
though we could say that even this juncture has many ways forward... but the fact is ,none of them is dependent on his choice but depends on the outcome of the doctor's actions...

what do u think?

pramod said...

what happened, did you stop yaar...
if the topic's getting us bored, we may change it dude.......

pramod said...

hehe...wer's it dude...?.. bring it on..the leo is lickin his paws...